P-51 Mustang - Вопросы задавать сюда!

DmitryMff писал(а):

jetac писал(а):

прекрасные образцы "восстановления", особенно №25 с крылом и воздухозаборником радиатора более позднего типа

И ??

Уважаемые, может кто определить этот самолёт, есть ли его фотографии? Киль с серийником не нашёл, есть только бортовой B9 V.

Phantom_50
Судя по шашечкам на носу это B6 V

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/North_American_P-51D_Mustang_%E2% 80%98413573_-_B6-V%E2%80%99_%E2%80%9CIsabel_III%E2%80%9D_%28really_44-73415%3F%29.jpg

North American P-51D Mustang ‘413573 / B6-V’ “Isabel III” (really 44-73415)
c/n 122-39874.

Built 1945 for the USAAF with the US military serial 44-73415. Removed from service and stored in September 1950. One of several sold to Canada, she joined the Royal Canadian Air Force with the serial 9289. Retired and sold off in July 1958, she moved back to the United States and continued to fly, for various owners, until written off in a fatal accident on 19th March 1977. Between 1985 and 1989 she was rebuilt for the Eagle Squadron Association using parts from various sources and in a deal with the RAF Museum she was then exchanged for Spitfire XVI ‘SL574’, now on display in San Diego.

Delivered to the UK in February 1989, further restoration work took place at RAF Halton before she went on display at Hendon in 1991. She was moved to Cosford in 2003 and wears the markings of a 357th Fighter Group aeroplane flown by a Commonwealth pilot, New Zealander Flt Lt Jack Cleland.

She is seen on display in the ‘War in the Air’ hangar, although she has since gone into storage and is not currently on display (as of 2018).

RAF Museum, Cosford, Shropshire, UK.

11th September 2008

Lt Jack Cleland , P-51D , Royal New Zealand Air force . The only RNZAF pilot to fly a tour with the AAF. Served 357th FG , 363rd Squadron

3S
Вот только это не B6-V, а B9-V

Нос покрашен как у самолётов 375th FG, но только эскадрильи с кодом B9 в этой группе не было.
Должны же быть фотографии этого самолёта...

Phantom_50
Именно, b9 не было. Поэтому не должно.)).

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Уважаемые, может кто определить этот самолёт, есть ли его фотографии? Киль с серийником не нашёл, есть только бортовой B9 V.

так он поди 101% семьсоттристапятнадцатьраз перекрашенный владельцами сюрвейер.
что полезного вы надеетесь почерпнуть в его внешнем виде?

Эйероплан
Меня больше сам самолёт интересует, история его.

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Эйероплан
Меня больше сам самолёт интересует, история его.

"A/C SERIAL NO.44-73415
SECTION 2B
INDIVIDUAL HISTORY
NORTH AMERICAN P51-D-25-NA MUSTANG
44-73415/RCAF 9289/US CIVIL N6526D/9133M
ACCESSION NUMBER: 1990/0692/A
11 Mar 44 Ordered under contract No.AC-2378. Built at the North American
Aviation Factory at Inglewood. Manufacturers number 122-39874.
14 Mar 45 Accepted by USAAF.
14 Mar 45 Available for delivery.
15 Mar 45 Delivered; assigned to Air Transport Command for ferrying to Third Air
Force.
Departed Inglewood en route to Page Field, Fort Myers, FL, via Long
Beach (15 Mar 45 - weather), Dallas (16 Mar 45) and Inglewood (17 Mar
45).
18 Mar 45 Arrived Page Field. The Individual Aircraft Record Card for 44-73415
does not indicate the unit to which this aircraft was allocated at this time;
however, the Army Air Force Installations Directory: Continental United
States states that Page Field was a Combat Crew Training Station
(Fighter), III Fighter Command, Third Air Force as at 1 August 1945.
15 Nov 4? Transferred from 302 AAF Base Unit to No.4160 AAF Base Unit, Hobbs
AFB, NM, San Antonio Air Material Area, Air Technical Service
Command (subsequently Air Material Command).
Transferred to 4121 AAF Base Unit, Kelly AFB, San Antonio Air
Material Area, Air Material Command. Placed in storage.
13 Sep 50 Declared surplus to USAF. Delivered to Air Material Command,
Glendale Field for storage.
08 Feb 51 Taken on charge with Royal Canadian Air Forces as s/n 9289.
The Royal Canadian Air Force Auxiliary Fighter Squadrons began operating P51-D Mustangs
in 1947, arrangements having been made with the US Government to purchase via the US
Foreign Liquidation Office 130 in all, delivered in two batches from June 1947. Of the second
batch of 100, the final 43, including the RAFM aircraft, were delivered to the RCAF early in
1951. Serial numbers were allocated in two blocks, 9221-9300 inclusive having Packard Merlin
V-1650-3 engines, (including 9289) and 9551-9600 having Packard Merlin V-1650-7 engines.
The RCAF referred to the aircraft as the `Tactical Fighter Mk.IV' and the Mustangs served until
withdrawn by the end of 1956.
© ROYAL AIR FORCE MUSEUM 2012
2
Mustang 9289 served with a tactical fighter unit, No.403 `City of Calgary' Sqn RCAF based at
Calgary, Alberta, with the squadron codes PR, 403 Squadrons' aircraft wore the standard RCAF
natural aluminium overall with white rudders, wing tips, elevators and spinners. On both sides
of the fuselage just aft of the firewall position a `Demon' emblem was placed, consisting of a red
circle enclosing the head, which was also in red, the colour being a `fire-engine' tone. Many
aircraft carried the last three letters of the serial number as part of the fuselage code, i.e. PR-289
and underwing rocket rails. Photo of 9289 - Air Enthusiast May/June 2001 p.49.
22 Jun 51 Date officially posted to US Government Military Aid Program -NB after
transfer to RCAF. Presumably a `Paper' transaction.
21 Jul 58 Declared surplus minus engine, presumably after some 18 months in store
after withdrawal of the Mustang by the RCAF. Sold to James H Defuria
and Partners of Dewitt, New York, who purchased 71 of the 87 surplus
RCAF P-51s bought by civilians c.1958-1961.
01 Jul 59 Noted parked beside the main highway near a small private airstrip at
Conastota, New York along with 13 other ex-RCAF Mustangs - most
markings had been scraped off these aircraft by this stage. (For these and
other historical data on RCAF Mustangs see AAHS Journal Vol.14 No.4
and CAHS Journal Summer 2009 pp.42-47)
21 Mar 60 Sold to R Ferrer, New York.
15 Feb 62 Major damage at Richmond, Virginia.
Dec 62 After repair, photographed at Phoenix - see AAHS 14 (4) p.252.
Jan 66 To Frederick Wild, New York.
Jan 66 Sold to Air Lease, Chicago for $8,100.
10 Jan 66 Leased to Dr Frank Guzman.
28 Feb 68 Sold to Dr Guzman.
1969 Sold to Don Bateman, Panorama City, California.
17 Jun 69 Sold to Michael Coutches, California.
1969 To H Matteri, Florida.
Early 77 To Dr William Veatch, Olympia, Washington.
19 Mar 77 Aircraft destroyed in major accident at Olympia Municipal Airport,
Washington at 13.46 hours, when the engine failed whilst climbing out
for a local flight. Unnamed Instructor pilot (not the owner) and passenger
killed (the aircraft had presumably been converted to two-seat
configuration at some stage since 1958).
1985-89 Rebuilt on behalf of Eagle Squadron Association by Kal Aero Services,
California in an exchange deal with the MOD for ex- Bentley Priory Gate
Guard Spitfire XV1 SL574
© ROYAL AIR FORCE MUSEUM 2012
3
(now at the San Diego Aerospace Hall of Fame).
The Fuselage of N6526D was the basis of the rebuild, together with other
parts from a former Indonesian Air Force P-51D, and was intended for
display at the RAFM.
13 Feb 89 Arrived at RAF Lyneham from the US on a RAF Hercules aircraft.
Mar 89 To RAF Halton for assembly and handover.
20 Apr 89 Official handover ceremony at RAF Halton. Photo: FlyPast June 1989;
Aeroplane Monthly Jun 89 p.325.
The restoration work by Kal Aero was not of a sufficient standard, therefore largely voluntary
work from No.1 SoTT Halton took place Jun 1989-Jun 1990 to bring the Mustang up to
Museum exhibition standard. Work required included: Repair and correct fitting of engine
cowlings; manufacture and fitting of engine carburettor air intake scoops and ducting; fitting of
radio aerial; three skin repairs on fuselage; provision of gun port leading edges; correct fitting of
all flying controls; complete respray (original restoration lacked even primer paint); provision of
all hydraulic pipelines and components in undercarriage bays. (See `Main Point' Oct 90.)
Restoration began with dismantling of the aircraft in June 1989.
14 Jun 90 Having been restored for a second time, the completed Mustang was
displayed at Halton's open day. Photo – Aircraft Illustrated March 1990
p.162.
The aircraft is painted as ‘413573’ in the markings of the 8th United States Army Air Force,
357th Fighter Group, 363rd Fighter squadron at Leiston, Suffolk. This unit was the first
Mustang Group assigned to the 8th Air Force. The individual aircraft markings are those of the
late Flt Lt Jack Cleland, RNZAF - one of the few Commonwealth pilots who did an exchange
posting with the Americans (between 5 July and September 1944, often escorting USAAF B17s). Since the aircraft was supplied by the Eagle Squadron Association it was thought
appropriate if a scheme could be found which covered a posting in reverse. See New Zealand
Wings September 1991 p.32.
c. Mar 1991 Delivered to RAFM Hendon and displayed in Bomber Command Hall.
Photo as delivered – The Flying M February 1991 p.15.
14 Jul 03 By road to RAFM Cosford for continued display, due to being replaced at
Hendon by new P-51D Mustang donated by Bob Tullius, ‘Donald Duck’.
Photo displayed at Cosford – Flypast October 2003 p.10. Name ‘Isobel
III’ painted on cowling. Photo – Flypast December 2003 p.45.
Feb 2009 Temporarily moved to RAFM Cosford MBCC to have mould taken from
it by fibre-glass replica manufacturers Gateguards UK.
TEXT - ANDREW SIMPSON
Sources: USAAF/USAF Individual Aircraft Record Cards, USAF Historical Research
Agency; Army Air Force Installations Directory: Continental United States, Headquarters,
Army Air Forces, Washington D, 1 August 1945, Robert Muller, Air Force Base, Volume 1:
Active Air Force Bases within the United States of America on 1 January 1974, Research
Division, Albert F Simpson Historical Research Center, Department of the Air Force, 1982."

Прототип:

Lt Jack Cleland , P-51D , Royal New Zealand Air force . The only RNZAF pilot to fly a tour with the AAF. Previously flew a tour with 616 Squadron RAF . Served 357th FG , 363rd Squadron , and claimed 2 FW-190's in action while with 616 Squadron. He also flew the Russia Shuttle Mission with the 357th FG.

https://toflyandfight.com/royal-new-zealand-exchange-pilot-flt-lt-jack-cleland/

Народ, а если у кого, информация по этому самолету?

Антенна только слева??

конечно она затенённая есть и справа

jetac писал(а):

конечно она затенённая есть и справа

Да, нашёл на фото Rolling Eyes

А в каком месте эти антенны к фюзеляжу крепились? По-моему, что-то такое я видел в инете, но тогда этому значение не придал.. а теперь найти не могу Confused

Если верить фотографии, то антенна входит в фюзеляж в районе ОЗ..Ежели чертежу(рисунку), то ближе к фонарю..

DmitryMff писал(а):

Если верить фотографии, то антенна входит в фюзеляж в районе ОЗ..Ежели чертежу(рисунку), то ближе к фонарю..

Внимательно смотрим на схемку, и обнаруживаем, что там часть обшивки условно не показана, рентген так сказать. Соответственно вход антенны соответствует тому, что на фотке, а продолжение до района фонаря идет внутри фюзеляжа.

Понятно

Крепление антенны SCR-535 изнутри фюзеляжа - на шпангоуте F11. Выход наружу - где-то между F12 и F13.

dedel писал(а):

изнутри фюзеляжа - на стрингере F11

Только это не стрингер, а шпангоут Wink

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dedel писал(а):

изнутри фюзеляжа - на стрингере F11

Только это не стрингер, а шпангоут Wink

Конешна же! Коньячок даёт о себе знать! Ищщо капелюшку - буду хвост с рогами путать! Mr. Green

Ранее как-то не попадалось это занимательное фото "Мустанга" 8 USAF, датированное 29 апреля 1945 г.

На снимке P-51B-15-NA s/n 42-106775.
Сказано, что машина ранее принадлежала 359th FG.
Что интересно:
наличие форкиля - полевая доработка;
маркировка 36th (803rd) Bomb Squadron, занимавшегося радиоэлектронным противодействием (Radio Counter Measures (RCM);
побортно установленные строевые огни (This plane used as a formation monitor. These lights are used during night missions to organize formations of P-51 "Mustangs" of the 78th Fighter Group.);
подвесной контейнер - вероятно, Douglas DGP-1 с парой пулемётов .50 Cal. M2 Browning.

На одной из аннтотаций к фотографии автор умудрился увидеть тут Yagi ASB radar antennas.